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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:08:43 +0100
Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: images are not laying flat!!
Carmen
In almost 40 years I have had no troubles with curl.
The method I have always used is as follows:--
Cut "Daler Rowney" self adhesive board slightly larger than paper image is
on and stick down. Place mount on top so that its underside is stuck to the
self adhesive board. Daler Rowney also make a repositional board. Handy if
you make a mistake.
Sid
----- Original Message -----
From: "lillylong_1999"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: [artshow_photo] Re: images are not laying flat!!
> Hi Brendan,
>
> They weren't printed on roll paper, I use epson heavyweight matte
> paper.
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
> --- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, Brendan
> > Were these printed from roll paper? if they were make
> > sure they stopped curling before mounting, I have gone
> > back to printing on sheets due to curling.
>
>
>
From: "sid pearce"
To:
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:31:29 +0100
Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: images are not laying flat!!
Hello Carmen
Sorry if my explanation was a bit vague. Hope the following makes it clearer
The adhesive board and the acid free mat are both the same size. The image
is on media 1 & 1/2 inches smaller all round than the adhesive board. The
mat is placed over the image and sticks to the adhesive board all round the
image media. If the paper, media or canvas is real heavyweight I may use
double sided Selotape to make sure I get a good fix.
----- Original Message -----
From: "lillylong_1999"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: [artshow_photo] Re: images are not laying flat!!
> Hi Sid,
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. I did a search
> and found the self adhesive boards ( here's the link for others to
> see ),
>
> http://www.daler-rowney.com/prod_catalogue/disp_Products.asp?
> category=17&brand=109
>
> After you adhere the image and the mat to the board, what do you do
> with the back side of the photo which now has a lump from the
> adhesive board? Do you adhere another backboard the size of the
> double mat and if so how do you do that since its not all the same
> size? My images are 13 x 19 attached to a 22 x 28 foamboard along
> with a 22 x 28 double mat.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Carmen
>
>
> --- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, "sid pearce"
>
> > Carmen
> > In almost 40 years I have had no troubles with curl.
> >
> > The method I have always used is as follows:--
> > Cut "Daler Rowney" self adhesive board slightly larger than paper
> image is
> > on and stick down. Place mount on top so that its underside is
> stuck to the
> > self adhesive board. Daler Rowney also make a repositional board.
> Handy if
> > you make a mistake.
> >
> > Sid
>
>
>
From: "vic"
To:
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:17:06 -0600
Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: images are not laying flat!!
Larry, can you tell me how.where you apply the tape? I have had pretty good success with 4 edges and a big X across the middle. Is that too much?
Just learning.
vicki
I hinge everything smaller than 16x20 using acid free framing tape.
16x16/16x20 and larger, I use Scotch PMA mounting adhesive in a roller
press and have had 100% success rate at not damaging a print in over 10
years. I even have a platen for mounting 20x30 prints in the press because
the press takes 20 inch work. I wasn't sure it was still manufactured but
I've recently seen the press in the Light Impressions catalog.
A tip that an old time photographer taught me when I first learned how to
mount my photographs. If you save the prints that come out wrong, you can
use them as mounting board in reverse so the curl balances itself. Mount
them back to back.
Larry
From: "vic"
To:
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:27:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: images are not laying flat!!
How do you keep the "air" out of the middle of the print between it and the foam board (on a 13x19 or even smaller)....and do you mount it to foam core? (I have a Scotch tape gun w/acid free doublesided tape)
I am in a rural area where there are no classes; I have a couple of books but the theories and methods are all over the map....a bit confusing.
thank you.
vicki
From: "Wayne and Bonnie Miller"
To:
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:05:28 -0400
Subject: [artshow_photo] Large prints
Where can I get large prints printed on an Epson 7600 or 9600?
Wayne Miller
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To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: Which Canopy system?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:09:52 -0000
Janet,
The easiest way to take down the sides of the Crafthut is to leave
them rolled. It also makes it easier to put them on.
Ellen
> During the entire setup and takedown this past weekend, the only
step that would have been difficult alone is folding the sides and
canopy if the ground is not dry enough to lay them out. If there's a
one-person system for that, I haven't figured it out yet.
>
> Janet
> http://www.infinite-art.com
dccmac1971"
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Pricing Prints
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:37:36 -0000
What are "ballpark" prices to charge for 8x10's and 11x14 prints
made from slides, mounted with backing. And, what should the
prints be put in for showing?
Thanks very much
Larry Berman
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] Pricing Prints
Date : Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:51:35 -0500
Check the resource page of the companion web site:
http://ArtShowPhoto.com/resources.htm
Most of us use clear bags from Impact. They're listed on the page.
As for prices. This is an issue that takes a lot into consideration
starting with your material cost. I've been advocating keeping costs down
so you can price your work competitively. I hinge my 8x10's and 11x14's to
the back of the mat and include a second piece of mat board in the impact
bag. Prices range for an 8x10 matted 11x14 from approximately $25 - $55 and
for an 11x14 matted 16x20 from approximately $45 - $85. But there a lot of
if's and maybe's and it depends.
Here's a page about packaging and display I created for Berman Graphics in
the art show section. Maybe I should move it over to the ArtShowPhoto.com
web site:
http://bermangraphics.com/artshows/packaging.htm
Larry
>What are "ballpark" prices to charge for 8x10's and 11x14 prints
>made from slides, mounted with backing. And, what should the
>prints be put in for showing?
Lance"
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: Pricing Prints
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:12:46 -0000
Larry..the time and effort you take to shorten the path to knowledge here
is not
overlooked. Your answers are well researched and I am sure you are well
thought of here. I started in the $25 range ten years ago and am currently
getting $40-45 for an 8x10 photo in double cotton ragmat (11x14). I am now
getting $95 for the 11x14 in 16x20 mat. It is at the upper end of the scale and
it was only a matter of my confidence in the package and the quality of the
images. The same images. It boiled down to perceived value. I you believe it
is worth it, ask it. The customer, especially the art customer, wants to believe
that the piece they are buying is a little better, a litlle more special. The
simple
fact you ask more, present it cleanly is sometimes enough to evoke the
feeling...confidence folks, that is how you price it...always ask a little more
than you believe in until you find the threshold where sales level
out...otherwise, how will you know? The market will tell you exactly what you
can sell them for.
'Lance
Eric Porcher"
To :
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Pricing Prints
Date : Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:18:29 -0800
Thank you, Lance and Larry for taking the time to answer this question.
I
didn't ask it, but appreciate your contribution.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: [artshow_photo] Re: Pricing Prints
> Larry..the time and effort you take to shorten the path to knowledge here
is not
> overlooked. Your answers are well researched and I am sure you are well
> thought of here. I started in the $25 range ten years ago and am
currently
> getting $40-45 for an 8x10 photo in double cotton ragmat (11x14). I am
now
> getting $95 for the 11x14 in 16x20 mat. It is at the upper end of the
scale and
> it was only a matter of my confidence in the package and the quality of
the
> images. The same images. It boiled down to perceived value. I you believe
it
> is worth it, ask it. The customer, especially the art customer, wants to
believe
> that the piece they are buying is a little better, a litlle more special.
The simple
> fact you ask more, present it cleanly is sometimes enough to evoke the
> feeling...confidence folks, that is how you price it...always ask a
little
more
> than you believe in until you find the threshold where sales level
> out...otherwise, how will you know? The market will tell you exactly what
you
> can sell them for.
> 'Lance
"wbritten"
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] propanels vs meshpanels
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:45:51 -0000
Hi Folks -
I am new to this list and new to the art show circuit. In fact am
just investing in a Light-dome canopy, and I am looking for your
opinions on using mesh panels for display walls vs. propanels. Seems
like the mesh panels would be easier to transport and put up, but my
observation is that more people use propanels at fairs, so there
must be a reason. Sturdier? Able to hang more stock, on both sides?
I hate to invest $600 in the mesh panels only to find out I need the
propanels! Very greatful for advice.
Bill Britten
lighthousegetaway.com
Linda
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: Commercial Request
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:18:17 -0800 (PST)
Hi,
I need some suggestions.
I have been selling my prints at Art Shows for about
two years. In an effort to expand, I recently had an
interview and portfolio presentation with the owners
of a small gallery that participates in monthly "Art
Walks" in a nearby town. They really liked my work and
will show it in the spring when the Walks resume. That
part I can do.
But I need help with this: During our discussion, the
owners said they wanted an image of their business to
use as a post card and asked if I would help with
that. I quickly agreed, thinking I would work out the
details later.
Well, now it's later. I have some good shots, am ready
to show them, and have no idea what I am doing or how
to charge. I know entire books are written on this
subject, but for the short term, anyone have
suggestions?
How to price?
Sell the image outright or only for their use as a
post card??.
Write up a quick contract?? (I have some quides) Print
and sell multiples to them for making into postcards,
retaining everything myself??
Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. I will explore
this entire topic more fully but just need some quick
ideas for now. Thanks in advance.
Linda Mann
Linares Photography Studio
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] Pricing Prints
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:20:54 -0800 (PST)
Hello
I start my 8X10 mated in 11X14 at $40.00 for all my
open editions images and go up to $60.00 for my
limited editions. My 11X14 started in 100.00 and the
limited edition go for 150.00.
I starting to use Rag mats and acid free foam core for
backing. I had adventure to use color mats for my
images and it help to improve the sales. I only use
white when is need it. I also add info of the image
and me on the back of the images. The wrapping is the
standard for most of us. Clear bags from imapact
images. Like Lance mention make sure that everything
looks clean b/c presentation is the key of sucess.
This include prices tags on your frames as well on
your prints, walls, bins and yourself. All this add to
the customer mind and they tent to buy without asking
to much and they feel that they spend the money
wisely.
Good Luck
--- dccmac1971
> What are "ballpark" prices to charge for 8x10's and
> 11x14 prints
> made from slides, mounted with backing. And, what
> should the
> prints be put in for showing?
>
> Thanks very much
>
>
=====
LP Studio
Oscar Matos Linares
3221 West Pierce #2R
Chicago, IL 60651
Telephone: 773-486-8519 Fax: 773-486-8521
Web: www.lpstudios.com
E-mail: lpstudio@yahoo.com
Larry Berman
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Commercial Request
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:37:56 -0500
Two or three ways to look at it. I've been experimenting with a program
called FotoQuote that gives price ranges based on usage and print run. It
also gives tips on how to negotiate. It's based on the ASMP pricing
guidelines which I don't really see as being too realistic. But at least
it's a starting point and it does give you a range. For a quarter page ad,
which is approximately what the size of a postcard is, they recommend
starting at $250 for a print run of under 5000. I happen to find that
realistic as far as pricing goes.
But there are other factors you can take into account. What the budget is
and whether they will give you better placement in their gallery for use of
the photo. If you sell the image outright, you loose possible future
income. Have they actually picked an image that they can't live without?
That would be the first step which will open doors for the rest of the
sale. Have they actually expressed an interest in outright purchase? I
would think that unless they want to use an image as a branding tool and
include it on all their printed material and web site etc, there would be
no need for an outright purchase.
Good luck.
Larry
>I have been selling my prints at Art Shows for about
>two years. In an effort to expand, I recently had an
>interview and portfolio presentation with the owners
>of a small gallery that participates in monthly "Art
>Walks" in a nearby town. They really liked my work and
>will show it in the spring when the Walks resume. That
>part I can do.
>But I need help with this: During our discussion, the
>owners said they wanted an image of their business to
>use as a post card and asked if I would help with
>that. I quickly agreed, thinking I would work out the
>details later.
>Well, now it's later. I have some good shots, am ready
>to show them, and have no idea what I am doing or how
>to charge. I know entire books are written on this
>subject, but for the short term, anyone have
>suggestions?
>How to price?
>Sell the image outright or only for their use as a
>post card??.
>Write up a quick contract?? (I have some quides) Print
>and sell multiples to them for making into postcards,
>retaining everything myself??
Linares Photography Studio
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] propanels vs meshpanels
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:41:39 -0800 (PST)
hello
Pro Panels are easy to carry and set up (I can carry
three or four at once if I can not use my dolly). They
are stable. They last long enough to tell you is good
way to spend your money. They are things that we use
at the shows that I can not see any other choice
(Craft Hut for tent, Pro Panels for walls, A DOLLY,
Cargo Van, and gym shoes).
Larry Berman
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] propanels vs meshpanels
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:42:51 -0500
By mesh, I assume the fabric that hangs from the walls of the booth and
rolls up to store in your vehicle.
You already know the pros and cons for each type of display. Another thing
to take into account is the size of your vehicle and how much space is
needed for display vs art work. I have a box on the roof of my van for my
display panels. When I bought my pro panels this summer, I purchased 7 foot
panels because they fit the interior height of the Craft Hut perfectly. My
box was then four inches too short and had to be modified. Thankfully I had
a friend build it and he was able to add on eight inches and everything
fits perfectly.
Larry
>I am new to this list and new to the art show circuit. In fact am
>just investing in a Light-dome canopy, and I am looking for your
>opinions on using mesh panels for display walls vs. propanels. Seems
>like the mesh panels would be easier to transport and put up, but my
>observation is that more people use propanels at fairs, so there
>must be a reason. Sturdier? Able to hang more stock, on both sides?
>
>I hate to invest $600 in the mesh panels only to find out I need the
>propanels! Very greatful for advice.
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To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: How does customer carry large prints?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:59:04 -0000
Larry,
I also use the mat board boxes to carry framed prints. These go in my
cargo trailer for transport between shows. However, something that
has always perplexed me is that due to the inevitable jiggling that
occurs in the trailer while on the road the frames end up with
scratches where they come in contact with the cardboard. Have you
ever noticed this? If so have you found an easy and quick way to
protect the frames? I've tried wrapping them in blankets, foam
corners, etc. These methods work but take additional time and create
more "stuff" that I need to deal with at setup and tear down. I'd
sure like to know if anyone has come up with a creative way to get
around this problem.
Greg
--- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, Larry Berman
> Clear plastic bags from Evergreen Bag. They're listed on the
resource page
> at http://ArtShowPhoto.com/resources.htm
>
> I use 25 sheet mat board boxes to transport the framed photos and
clear
> bags for the people who purchase to carry them away. I use two
sizes of
> bags that cover everything up to...
>
> 18x30 and 30x36. The thickness of both is 0015 which is a good
compromise
> between weight and cost.
>
> The 30x36 is great for 22x28 as it lets you wrap and tape the end
if it's
> raining though I usually double the large bags in the rain.
>
> Larry
>
>
> >The largest image that I will be selling at art fairs is 22 x 28
> >framed. What kind of bag do I use for the customer to transport it
> >safely to their vehicle? Seems it would be too heavy for a bag.
What
> >do you use?
>
Larry Berman
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] Re: How does customer carry large prints?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:03:41 -0500
I guess it depends on the frames you're using. How about putting the frames
in plastic bags inside the matboard boxes. That way there won't be any
friction.
Larry
>I also use the mat board boxes to carry framed prints. These go in my
>cargo trailer for transport between shows. However, something that
>has always perplexed me is that due to the inevitable jiggling that
>occurs in the trailer while on the road the frames end up with
>scratches where they come in contact with the cardboard. Have you
>ever noticed this? If so have you found an easy and quick way to
>protect the frames? I've tried wrapping them in blankets, foam
>corners, etc. These methods work but take additional time and create
>more "stuff" that I need to deal with at setup and tear down.
I'd
>sure like to know if anyone has come up with a creative way to get
>around this problem.
Lance"
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: How does customer carry large prints?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:07:32 -0000
I used to use just the cardboard...back and forth to a show they work
great. I
too found scuffing from the card board. So I made a set of cloth (quilted and
flannel) to put the frames in. More work yes. I use all Larson Juhl burl frames
and at at 50-100 each, it is worth the time to bag them. Most I have seen slip
them into the box like suggested. Just thought you wanted to know someone
else saw the scuffs too. I made the bags. Do I still think they are a pain? Yes.
But my frames travel better.
Lance
Linares Photography Studio
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [artshow_photo] Re: How does customer carry large prints?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:26:39 -0800 (PST)
Hello Greg
I use home made soft bags. This summer I started to
tied my frames to one of the side walls of my cargo
van. This stop the jiggle. Also keep using frame
corners. Keep in mind that is better to spend time
packing well that reframing.
Oscar
=====
LP Studio
Oscar Matos Linares
3221 West Pierce #2R
Chicago, IL 60651
Telephone: 773-486-8519 Fax: 773-486-8521
Web: www.lpstudios.com
E-mail: lpstudio@yahoo.com
Lance"
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: How does customer carry large prints?
Date : Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:57:05 -0000
I use the plastic bags for matted prints, like at the grocery store when
the
customer wants a bag. You can buy them in quantity, assuming you have
matted sizes already in clear sleeves. I use scrap packing and cut cardboad
to tape on the outside of the matted pieces, then slip it in a bag or hand it
to
them...it saves money on each bag. I always try to put the cardboard or foam
over the matt and the print because we are careful...the customer sometimes
isn't. As far as framed pieces, I buy rolls of bubble wrap through my local
packaging company and keep a tape gun handy at the show. My friend David
from Texas uses kraft paper on a roll and has a wrap table behind the display
in his set up. If the pieces aren't mounted, or hinged and matted, then one
could assume that you could roll them and place them in shipping rolls...good
luck out there!!
"Lance"
To : artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [artshow_photo] Re: How does customer carry large prints?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:27:57 -0000
Cloth bags was left out sorry...
--- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, "Lance"
wrote:
> I used to use just the cardboard...back and forth to a show they work
great. I
> too found scuffing from the card board. So I made a set of cloth (quilted
and
> flannel) to put the frames in. More work yes. I use all Larson Juhl burl
frames
> and at at 50-100 each, it is worth the time to bag them. Most I have seen
slip
> them into the box like suggested. Just thought you wanted to know
someone
> else saw the scuffs too. I made the bags. Do I still think they are a pain?
Yes.
> But my frames travel better.
> Lance
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